I posted the article about Richard Dawkins on facebook, and I happen to be friends with my booty call on facebook.

Booty Call: I agree with his logic. Absolutism is kinda silly when EVERYTHING is a spectrum. I'm not entirely sure why he's saying this but I agree with his logic in his comparisons. There is definitely different intensities and categories of anything if it's scrutinized enough. I agree that it's all terrible and again I don't see why he's making these arguments anyway.

Flossie:You should try explaining Dawkin's logic to someone who has experienced "mild" pedophilia or date rape. I'm sure it'll go over well.

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BC:I don't think this is the argument Dawkins is trying to make at all. You are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong in this: Dawkins is saying there is a spectrum of intensity for rape and violence and categorizing them belittles those who experienced it. I understand that point. The message I received was something more like: Dawkins is arguing that there are varying degrees of rape, horrible as it is, but he isn't trying to say anything further than that. He isn't implying that we should compare them and draw a line in the sand saying, "ok, this is TOO much rape and violence". No one who has been through a traumatic event wants to hear "it could have been worse for you", even if that's true. That could be true in almost any situation in which you aren't dead or close to that. I have always held Richard Dawkins in great esteem for his accomplishments and his logical arguments so I'm hesitant to throw all of that out because of implications you are drawing from his words.

Dawkins is famous for his simplifications of arguments and using controversial things to prove logical points. It's an example of syllogism, if you bother to read the first paragraph of the article. "X is worse than Y" is the argument. The comparisons do not imply endorsement of either.

F: Here's the thing: there are not varying degrees or intensities of rape. Rape is rape is rape is rape. There isn't a spectrum of intensity or violence when it comes to rape. How intense was a rape? I don't know, that's up to the person who experienced it to decide. By saying that violent rape is worse than date rape (which is a misnomer in the first place because what the fuck is he classifying as date rape?) he is trivializing the experience of those who have been date raped. It would be fine if he said "In my opinion, if rape were to happen to me I feel like I would be more violated by violent stranger rape than date rape." But you know, this isn't the first time that Dawkins has been a huge bag of dicks.

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BC: I would argue everyone makes a fool of themselves time to time. I still try to stay away from absolutes like rape is rape is rape. What about other violent crimes? Would you say a mugging was worse than a drive by or some other crime involving violence against others. If you're going to say rape is rape, shouldn't you be absolute about all violent crimes? I don't think it belittles anyone just by having it stated.

F: I absolutely (haha) wouldn't say that mugging was worse than other crimes or vice versa. You and Dawkins are trying to make objective statements about something that is not objective, at least not to the person who has experienced said violent crime.

BC: That's the dilemma, I think. I wouldn't ever really try to make this argument, even though I can say I understand its basis. Objectivity really has nothing to do with how the person feels who has experienced it and you are having trouble separating the objectivity from the subjective nature of the effects of the crime. This has been a weird discussion but I liked it.

F: Oh wow, thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Do I get a gold star for trying?